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Post by gnorthern on Feb 24, 2024 21:56:59 GMT -8
A major and minor reservation with the proposed rule change. Everything in track, except maybe discus and landing on the take off foot in the triple jump (no idea where that came from), is based on something that mattered for survival. Even poles were used in primitive warfare. When I was a forester, if I screwed up jumping from object to object, whether over a small ravine or whatever, I had to be right.
A minor reservation is that while the technology is available, at what price for all the schools in the country.
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Post by kgamlin on Feb 25, 2024 20:11:38 GMT -8
Neither a strong pro or con position, my only hesitancy is that this would presumably only be implemented at high level events where the technology is feasible, right? but your local HS track meet still would probably use the 'old' or current method of measurement, no? Am I wrong in that you'd be creating a bifurcated system depending on the level?
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Post by arizonaduck on Feb 25, 2024 20:46:48 GMT -8
Neither a strong pro or con position, my only hesitancy is that this would presumably only be implemented at high level events where the technology is feasible, right? but your local HS track meet still would probably use the 'old' or current method of measurement, no? Am I wrong in that you'd be creating a bifurcated system depending on the level? I certainly understand the concerns re this. I haven't been to a "local" high school meet in a long time. Do all of them have automatic timing systems now or are they still using stopwatches?
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Post by bruce3404 on Feb 26, 2024 13:00:45 GMT -8
Disagree. Part of the event is both synching the stride lengths, adjusting to wind conditions and making adjustments on the fly. There's a huge amount of technique that would be wiped out and it might become a matter of speed. We already get that in the dashes. But with the advent of the fiberglass pole, didn't the vault technique significantly change to a much more gymnastic event? I don't think so. Speed and steps are still important, you still push upwards from an implement, be it bamboo, steel or fiberglass. I wish they'd still let vaulters push the bar back into place; only the really skillful ones could do it.
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Post by bruce3404 on Feb 26, 2024 13:08:55 GMT -8
Meanwhile....this is from 12 years ago..from a sprinter on the new false start rule. Some just don't like change. "Either way, the IAAF’s false start rule — automatic DQ for any sprinter who jumps the gun — is the worst piece of legislation in sport. Any sport. On earth. It’s an abomination for sprinters, for fans, and for a sport that struggles to capture the attention of casual sports fans in the years between Olympic Games." I've long suggested that over the course of a season, they should adopt soccer rules and give a yellow card for the first false start and red cards thereafter. The whole reason for the current rules was athletes gaming other athletes by purposefully false starting. Using the yellow/red card scheme, sprinters would guard against getting a yellow card, but stuff happens (Bolt in Daegu, Allen last year) and crowd favorites are banished to the locker room. Having been in Daegu when Bolt false-started and watched the Korean fans who came only one time, to see one athlete, go home with a bitter taste did nothing for the sport but ensure most of those fans will never think about going to another meet.
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Post by truedson on Feb 26, 2024 14:17:00 GMT -8
But with the advent of the fiberglass pole, didn't the vault technique significantly change to a much more gymnastic event? I don't think so. Speed and steps are still important, you still push upwards from an implement, be it bamboo, steel or fiberglass. I wish they'd still let vaulters push the bar back into place; only the really skillful ones could do it. Don Bragg never could get the technique of fiberglass. "Bragg kept saying fiber glass had advantages but that there wasn't a pole made of it strong enough to hold him," Jenks says. "To shut him up we made one and took it over to his apartment in Van Nuys. He flexed it, looked it all over and said, 'That's just what I need.' He was going to practice with it and use it. That was before the Compton meet last year. In the meet he showed up with his metal pole and didn't even place. That was the last we heard from him. I guess he realized there was no magic in it, that you still had to be a good athlete. He probably thought he was too old to start learning a new technique." vault.si.com/vault/1962/02/26/he-could-do-it-on-bamboo
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Post by truedson on Mar 4, 2024 12:59:57 GMT -8
The LJ WR from 1925 would have been 6th at Glasgow.
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Post by truedson on Mar 5, 2024 14:39:49 GMT -8
Meanwhile....in The Times of London today.
Michael Johnson, the winner of four Olympic gold medals and the former 200m and 400m world-record holder, has joined forces with global sponsorship experts Winners Alliance to develop a track league. That builds on the interview he gave last year when he questioned World Athletics’ involvement in a league system. “I love the Olympic model but professional track? World Athletics should probably have nothing to do with that,” he said.
Johnson, 56, added that the new league needed a significant commercial backer or it becomes a “charity” sport. “The Diamond League doesn’t work,” he said bluntly. “It’s a series of events that are not owned by one entity.”
Kerr, one of the brightest thinkers in the sport, agrees with Johnson’s aims. “We need to race and we need to have head-to-heads, and the way to do that is pay athletes good money to race a series of events,” he said.
“If you could sign someone to a Diamond League and have 12 guys race each other three times, that would be a situation where guys would think, financially, it would make a lot more sense to worry more about the league than about a World Championship.”
Johnson says athletics cannot expect a bailout from a sugar daddy and must become more attractive commercially. Hence, he wants to axe field events and have a programme of races ranging only from 100m to 5,000m.
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Post by truedson on Mar 6, 2024 16:20:04 GMT -8
One option would be copying the false start rule. One foul and you are out. That would cut down on fouls.
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Post by chileduck on Mar 6, 2024 16:40:48 GMT -8
One option would be copying the false start rule. One foul and you are out. That would cut down on fouls. Now wouldn't THAT be popular.😉
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Post by mallardg on Mar 6, 2024 19:03:40 GMT -8
Genius...this would cut down on too long track and field meets. Let's just parlay this a bit further...one Pole Vault miss and you are out. Same with the high jump and triple jump. One foul and you are out of the Shot Put, Discus, Hammer and Javelin.
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